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Block Ukx
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Posted - 2013.11.08 13:43:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Seriously, though, this bond won't see the kind of massive profits I have aimed at in the past. I have very limited objectives this time (c. 10bil a month); just enough to cover interest, plexes and ships to lose, plus a little extra on the side. The strategy I'm following could yield about 4-5bil a day ...
Wow, your strategy could potentially yield 120-150 B ISK in a month, and yet, no one find it odd that you are asking for 30 B.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.08 16:54:00 -
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RAW23 wrote: Why would they find that odd? The strategy could yield 120-150bil a month ...
Well, I find it odd. You can make the bond amount in a week, yet you are here asking for the ISK. In the past, Bonds that claimed such great returns have been dismissed as "too good to be true".
I find it odd that no one ask why bother when you can make the ISK in a week.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.08 17:22:00 -
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RAW23 wrote: Because to make the isk in a week I first have to have the bond. And just because the strategy can earn enough to make that isk in a week doesn't mean that I am going to grind for six to eight hours a day when I neither need to nor want to.
A few other things to bear in mind:
Firstly, I didn't mention what returns the strategy could potentially produce until after the bond was filled, so the bond wasn't sold on the basis of those profit levels (indeed, I wasn't really sure about potential maximum profit levels until after I had received some isk and had played around with the plan a little bit). Rather, as the OP states, my objective is to earn 10bil a month and the bond was filled by people expecting those actual returns, not larger merely potential returns that will never materialise.
Secondly, since I have a documented history of producing similar profit levels in the past (not quite as high but pretty close), I don't see why anyone would be particularly sceptical about my ability to do so in the present.
Thirdly, as I mention in the OP, I am being assisted in the current plan by Rykker Bow's encyclopedic knowledge of Jita trading and he has a documented history of hitting exactly such profit levels in the past (the coincidence of the potential profit levels I mention and his historical profit levels is ... well ... not a coincidence).
I suspect the lack of suspicion directed towards this bond is also partly due to the fact that I have held greater public debt in the past and that this level of borrowing represents a decrease rather than an increase in potential risk levels.
And still, all those words can't explain how someone that makes such marvelous profits does not have 30B ISK. Yes, very odd.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:12:00 -
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Odd, strange, unusual, weird, pick your word.
It is strange for anyone who makes 120-150 B ISK a month come here and ask for 30 B ISK. You claim you gave all your ISK away, which again is unusual. Most people I know keep a bit of ISK in case they want to come back.
I think you too will find it strange.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:10:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:I don't 'make 120-150bil a month'. Please stop making claims on my behalf and then acting as if it was me who made them.
RAW23 wrote:The strategy I'm following could yield about 4-5bil a day ...
RAW23 wrote:Why would they find that odd? The strategy could yield 120-150bil a month ...
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:40:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Wow - you manage to combine maliciousness and deceit with a deep-seated stupidity at the same time. That's a pretty impressive set of negative qualities you are displaying.
I don't think so. You claimed you could make 4-5 B a day not me. I simply extrapolated your claim to a one month period, so it shows the magnitude of your claim, which seems unreal.
Throwing insults is not going to fix anything.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:23:00 -
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RAW23 wrote: Yes. YOU extrapolated a claim ...
Yes I extrapolated YOUR claim to build a reasonable question. There is no need for you to be so condescending and arrogant.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.08 21:27:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:RAW23 wrote:Edit - I'm also very sorry if these kind of potential earnings seem unreal to you. I know that they match up with the kind of figures your own business was posting as annual earnings using more than ten times the capital. But your inability to grasp what can be done with the markets in EvE is not my responsibility. If it's any consolation, I'm sure your earnings didn't require you to grind more than five hours a day, which is what these potential profit levels would conservatively need. You forgot to say, that in all these years he never accepted to be audited once. This lack of transparency, considering the hundreds of investor billions held for so many years, does not really entitle to go count the beans in somebody else's home.
In case you have not noticed BSAC is closed.
Perhaps, he should give me his key so I can audit him.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:27:00 -
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RAW23 wrote: Flakeys is quite right. There should be questions and I shouldn't get a free pass because of my background. One of the biggest dangers the investment market has suffered from in the past is a lack of oversight and an unwillingness to challenge the Old Guard. I don't even have a problem with Block doing the challenging or asking the questions, despite knowing that this comes from an old grudge rather than any real concern for the investment.
The issue I have with his posts in this thread is a) that they attempt to indirectly insinuate things without having the courage to actually say what he means, and b) that when we do get to the bottom of what he means, most of it just doesn't make any sense (by which I mean that it is devoid of logic). I should have become used to this by now as Block is pretty notorious for being unable to string two thoughts together coherently in a post but I'm afraid I let my anger get the best of me last night and responded to his posts in a way that gave them greater credence than they deserved.
In short, scrutiny is just as important on large bonds raised by experienced people as it is on small bonds raised by the inexperienced.
You don't seem to take my comment very well. Like I explained before, my comment was based on YOUR claim. No need to be so extreme.
How about you give the API of all your characters and I'll audit your bond?
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.09 13:54:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:I didn't like your comments because they didn't make sense. You have serious problems with logic and language that make it extremely frustrating to communicate with you. Unfortunately, my frustration at dealing with irrational statements got the better of me last night and I made the mistake of trying to point out the errors in your thinking to you. I won't waste my time doing that again because you don't seem willing to learn.
As to the audit, please stop trolling Block. Why would I give my api to someone with a history of deceitful behaviour and an obvious grudge against me? Oh, and someone who has spent his career trying to avoid audits by claiming that audits are of no use?
I'm not trolling about the audit. How about you give me your API key to audit you?
It's a very simple question; yes or no will do.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.09 14:16:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:Block Ukx wrote:
I'm not trolling about the audit. How about you give me your API key to audit you?
It's a very simple question; yes or no will do.
Of course I won't. You have a documented history of public deception, you have deliberately misrepresented me in this thread, and you are not a very rationally competent individual. I have no idea why you would even begin to think that I would allow you to carry out an audit. It's a ridiculous request and can only be classified as trolling.
So I ask a question and now I'm trolling. I knew you would come up with some excuses not to give me your API key. I suppose it's ok to audit anyone but you.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2013.11.09 14:51:00 -
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I have done audits before and I can do the audit myself. And, I won't charge you a penny.
Contrary to what you keep posting about me, I have been respectful to you. You on the other hand keep calling me names in an attempt to silence me; a very typical bully behavior.
I'll see you on your next bond, Block Ukx
http://www.bsacse.amxg4.com
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